12/16/2009
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"It would seem to me that if we are going to deal with this problem the way we would like to, each of the agencies need to be looked at in terms of the human capital commitment that has been made in th..."
"the fact of the matter is to get into dotting the I's and crossing the T's."
"Well, I would sure like to--how many of the agencies that were out there would have a national security dimension in them."
"And just for the record, do you agree that the M in OMB should be the person that should be the orchestra leader and the quarterback on it?"