Pat Ryan actually said...

As you might expect, Mr. McDermott, beneficiaries went to the doctor less often.

We had hearings from west coast to east coast and often times we found that 15 to 35 percent was all that was available for training.

We want to make sure, as Susan said, that most of the money, 60 to 65 percent be used for training.

I believe, Madame Chair, that we should eliminate the middlemen again.