09/03/2018
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"Thank you, Mr. Chairman."
"OK, and that is the outcome some of us are working toward right now, so I appreciate that, because to do one without the other does not make much sense."
"So you do not agree with those that--that in a sense is default, right?"
"But I am not talking about the long-term deficit. I am talking about renewal of the debt ceiling by such a little amount that month after month we would have to come back and renew it."