William R. Richardson: “I suspect the most, the glaring and strongest sanction that would be proportional would be the banking sanctions.”

We absolutely need them to keep enforcing sanctions or the pressure on North Korea will deteriorate.

Well, success for me would be a commitment by North Korea to dismantle some--some of their weapons, missiles.

But, yet, China and Russia are cheating and so what we wanted to do is go after the bigger banks.

My worry is--and before, I think, you came in I said it is better to negotiate with the foreign ministry types in North Korea rather than the intelligence people because they are more flexible.