Maggie Hassan actually said...

It would be, I think, an awful outcome if the taxpayers, again, in 2 years ended up with nothing to show for that.

I want to thank Chairman Sanders for this hearing. I want to thank Ranking Member Cassidy, too, for participating in it.

I think that is a critical part, and frankly, that is why agencies struggle sometimes in this space.

I appreciate that very much, and I appreciate not only the expertise that you all bring to today's hearing, but the expertise and leadership...