Maggie Hassan actually said...

It would be, I think, an awful outcome if the taxpayers, again, in 2 years ended up with nothing to show for that.

I think we are both hopeful that with your input, this time will be valuable as we go forward and try to make sure that we are strengthening...

I appreciate that very much, and I appreciate not only the expertise that you all bring to today's hearing, but the expertise and leadership...

I think that is a critical part, and frankly, that is why agencies struggle sometimes in this space.