Chuck Hagel: “would debase the system, so we would get to the point where we couldn't govern ourselves.”

It is a measurement. But I don't think it is the measurement. I mean, I was in a war with a lot of body counts every day. We lost everyone.

This is really authoritarian.

Because I had the responsibility and I play my own game here. And that is because by law, I am the one official in government charged with certification with release of detainees. I take that responsibility very seriously.

It is hard to overstate how damaging the continued existence of the Detention Facility at Guantanamo has been and continues to be.