Kent Conrad: “In the longer term, we have got to pivot and we have got to deal with this debt threat.”

It takes guts to do that, and Chairman Arrington, you have certainly led the charge on having a commission.

We did a whole series of things in our Social Security reform not to discourage people from working, but to encourage them to continue working if they are able to do so.

I do, and I made that argument to the commission, and others on the commission made some of the points that you are making now.

The one thing I know for sure is that what is happening now is not working.