Kent Conrad: “We are also a major energy State.”

It takes guts to do that, and Chairman Arrington, you have certainly led the charge on having a commission.

We did a whole series of things in our Social Security reform not to discourage people from working, but to encourage them to continue working if they are able to do so.

I do, and I made that argument to the commission, and others on the commission made some of the points that you are making now.

I wish I could look you in the eye and say, you know, if we just had the will, we could reverse this, and we could go back to a time when defined benefit plans were on the increase. I do not think that is in the cards.