Kent Conrad: “We would rather set up a process to get to that policy, which requires decisions and then requires action that is the…”

I thought he was an outstanding Committee Chairman, and my former intern has succeeded him in his Congressional seat.

I do, and I made that argument to the commission, and others on the commission made some of the points that you are making now.

It takes guts to do that, and Chairman Arrington, you have certainly led the charge on having a commission.

I wish I could look you in the eye and say, you know, if we just had the will, we could reverse this, and we could go back to a time when defined benefit plans were on the increase. I do not think that is in the cards.