Kent Conrad: “If we don't have a plan that all of us basically think has got merit, it will be abandoned.”

It takes guts to do that, and Chairman Arrington, you have certainly led the charge on having a commission.

I do, and I made that argument to the commission, and others on the commission made some of the points that you are making now.

The one thing I know for sure is that what is happening now is not working.

All the talk in the world doesn't matter if you don't actually get something done in the real world.