Kent Conrad: “I think it is a critically important one in the circumstances we confront.”

It takes guts to do that, and Chairman Arrington, you have certainly led the charge on having a commission.

I do, and I made that argument to the commission, and others on the commission made some of the points that you are making now.

The one thing I know for sure is that what is happening now is not working.

We did a whole series of things in our Social Security reform not to discourage people from working, but to encourage them to continue working if they are able to do so.