Kent Conrad: “There have got to be prosecutions of criminal wrongdoing, and it is breathtaking.”

We admire that, and I can say on both sides of the aisle, people recognize the job he did as Budget Committee Chairman.

It lifts the bottom. It asks those of us at the top to take a little less of an increase than we might have expected.

I think there is just a tremendous opportunity here, and I really applaud the two of you for doing this in a bipartisan way.

I wish I could look you in the eye and say, you know, if we just had the will, we could reverse this, and we could go back to a time when defined benefit plans were on the increase. I do not think that is in the cards.