Heidi Heitkamp actually said...

"Yes, and I think Gene made such an excellent point, that not only do we see dollar returns, but we see returns in better services."

"How do we change that attitude?"

"This type of oversight is critical and valuable."

"I just really believe that this collaboration and partnership between this Committee and particularly this Subcommittee and you guys talking back and forth, I hope you find that that is a useful use o..."