Heidi Heitkamp actually said...

I think our challenge right now is that we look for the easy fix. None of this is easy.

Probably in those areas, whether it is cyber, where there is a whole lot of competition in the private sector for that kind of talent and sk...

I think oftentimes within the Federal Government we bring people in on a technical side.

frequently the vacancies that we have would be highly sought after, where they would be highly technical, and so you have three people, now ...