Heidi Heitkamp: “I think that is to the extent that you guys need us to play bad cop, we are way willing to do that.”

A lot of them didn`t like Donald Trump. They didn`t like how we behaved. They didn`t like the lies, but they did pretty well in the Trump years.

People who are going to buy into carbon markets, they want certainty.

Oh, I think it`s absolutely self-preservation. They see the handwriting on the wall that in the annals of history, this is not going to look well.

Whoever wants in these conservation programs should get in these conservation programs and up the ante and create greater incentives.