It is always a little difficult for me when somebody comes with the argument, look how insignificant it is in the real world, 2 percent, and then says, but it is catastrophic to the free enterprise system.
Heitkamp critiques the inconsistency in arguments about the Eximbank's impact.
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Set some goals that I know they can achieve, whether it is by doing the practices they are doing right now, or carbon capture.
I think it has been pretty clear that I think that we don't yet have good measurement tools.
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