Byron Dorgan actually said...

I went back and read the de-icing issues--or, the icing issues, this morning in the transcript.

you ought to know the same about the pilot that you know about the plane

And we should say that we are discussing this through the lens of a tragedy, and understand, always, that that is the case.

My--the reason I asked the question is, my understanding is that somewhere around seven out of the most recent nine accidents were accidents...