Byron Dorgan actually said...

Proposing cuts to these programs is not an answer, especially if it is connected to the money that we put in the stimulus or the economic Re...

And it seems to me to be pretty persuasive evidence that you've got to make things happen.

This Committee says, in these areas, our Government signed treaties. In these areas, our Government made explicit promises.

I understand that, but I'm talking about experience in the air. There's no--I've been in the simulator--there's no ice in the simulator.