Byron Dorgan actually said...

But in many ways, the question is transition to what, and we are in a frantic search for what.

I am very interested in beneficial use of carbon...bringing the price of carbon down to near zero if they find the right beneficial use.

We have really disserved wind energy and some others with what we have done on the production tax credit.

I think with those things, I believe in the next 50 years, we can greatly reduce the transportation need for external oil.