Steven Daines actually said...

In your distinguished 15-year career leading the organization, how long ago was it when you first started sensing perhaps something is wrong...

But regarding the discomfort that you felt at times, if I can just step back, because perhaps there was a line crossed.

Given the limited dollars we have for all these programs. Where you look at empirically-based, outcome-based metrics, what programs are work...

It is a tough topic to talk about but one we cannot ignore.