Jon Tester: “You talked about potential savings, a positive investment. I did too. I have a different perspective than you as a…”

I would say two things. Number one this administration has totally blown the opportunity to make government more efficient by going in with a -- with a -- with a meat cleaver and just hack up agencies.

If that was possible it would already be done.

There's plenty of examples of it. The Mission Act is a prime example. The fastest growing part of the V.A. budget. Why? Because we privatizing V.A. health care and its costing us more money, not less.

I think we need to take these things seriously. I think the president and I think, more importantly, the military are taking it very, very seriously.