Jon Tester: “This land transfer is going to give you more opportunity.”

Well, I think it's really bad. All you got to do is look at the market. But the truth is, is that if you're a businessman, you understand that what you need in the marketplace is certainty.

Not at all. Uh-uh. No. I mean, the case was laid out and I was part of the jury and make the call.

I would say two things. Number one this administration has totally blown the opportunity to make government more efficient by going in with a -- with a -- with a meat cleaver and just hack up agencies.

That's between me and a ballot box.