John F. Nichols: “Any cap-and-trade system or any carbon tax has to be used very carefully.”

I value clean food that has not had chemical exposure. I abhor what big business is doing to the food widely available to the general public.

The tragedy of this, Joy, is that both of them are taking stands that are incredibly destructive to the circumstances of people in their own states, and, frankly, incredibly destructive to the prospects of the Democratic Party in 2022.

Food that is clean and free of the taint of chemicals. Our bodies were not designed to process chemicals.

In this moment, if we come out -- as we come out of the pandemic, you have to have a big, bold plan for not just renewing the economy, but for building out an economy that has to evolve, that has to change.