02/03/2016
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"I want to give you the opportunity to address that. Would you quarrel with that, that you had information that no other bidder had?"
"And would you state for the record the total amount of money you estimate the government has been defrauded under these programs?"
"It is, in fact, that for people who were going to do that anyway, somebody was paid who did not deserve it."
"Were not working."