02/14/2011
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"And would you state for the record the total amount of money you estimate the government has been defrauded under these programs?"
"Well, it is one thing to say you should not have fraud in the program, but an effective control would be something that would ferret out when somebody was sharing personal information in order to get ..."
"So, you go to the people who are in the Guard and you say, someone recruited you and got paid for it."
"I want to make sure I clarify this for the record."