Claire McCaskill actually said...

Right, because by the time it gets to where the rubber meets the road, it is two or three degrees removed.

I think my predecessor, Senator Truman, would have an awfully hard time getting his arms around how big this problem has become.

I cannot tell you how many times in this Subcommittee we have talked about the failure to suspend and debar.

If it has worked, then that is the time that we need to migrate it over to Department of Defense.