Jim Hagedorn: “I have never met a small businessperson that said increase my energy costs. Not one.”

I don't think this bill that is coming along, $3.5 trillion, whatever it is, with all sorts of taxes, regulations, higher cost energy, I mean, I don't know a small business out there that says higher-cost energy is going to do the trick.

I am somebody who has been a pretty strong supporter of employee-owned businesses and co-ops.

That's an outrageous policy decision.

A lot of the problems in the trucking industry are bad government policies or government policies that were well-intended on safety and other issues.