Gary Peters actually said...

So you're significantly increasing both civil penalties and potentially criminal penalties for doing that?

I have not always agreed with the company's approach, and believe that as a result of the disaster in Kalamazoo, there is a significant defi...

I would argue at that point that we're looking at catastrophic damage now that will have irreparable harm.

So I feel that that's what we've been preparing for, in case that happens, and I think the preventative measures will hopefully be--be able ...