Carl Levin actually said...

And have you seen reports that the Paulson firm shorted the ABACUS transaction using Goldman Sachs as its agent?

I objected to it being the driver. I went ahead and tried to prevent us from what I believed was committing securities fraud.

And were you or your staff aware at the time that Moody's was working on the ABACUS rating that Paulson was shorting the assets in ABACUS?

Well, I could not agree with you more.