Carl Levin actually said...

"I believe, Mr. Katsuyama, that you indicated that the maker-taker system creates a conflict of interest."

"And, therefore, I think the government would be very helpful in helping to get the industry to coordinate to a level to make these issues easier to identify."

"And as free of conflict of interests as you possibly can?"

"A lot of other people are insisting on it, and I happen to agree with that, but it is not----"