Carl Levin actually said...

"I think it is Exhibit 13.1A. Is that correct?"

"And if the transaction is designed for the purpose of lowering taxes, that is a relevant fact to the judge?"

"Now, Caterpillar, in its written statement submitted to the Subcommittee, says that even if it were stipulated that the changes made in 1999 were motivated primarily by tax considerations and generate..."

"Would you have transferred all that, all of that that was in the licensing agreement to anybody but a related party?"