David Gergen: “He did try to stay out of this. He thought what Clinton, Bill Clinton, did at the end of his administration, trying to…”

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

You can stand up and say we shouldn't be doing this because it's unconstitutional. Therefore, I never have to come to say whether I agree or disagree whether he incited the riot.

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…