David Gergen: “He is obsessed with winning re-election. It's all about self-respect. It is whether he is going to be humiliated or not.”

I don't think Trump is out of the woods, even though his poll numbers are not only staying up, they have actually been strengthened some.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

If he comes out and throws cold water on this, then I don't think it goes anywhere.