David Gergen: “I think it's -- it's one more step in the endgame that we're in right now. And she clearly knows that this is almost…”

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

He is a leader there's no question about that. But I think he's a bad leader. I think he's leaving his people into, he's leading the country, especially into a very bad place.

You can stand up and say we shouldn't be doing this because it's unconstitutional. Therefore, I never have to come to say whether I agree or disagree whether he incited the riot.

No, their problem is Anderson, he's got more support back in their districts in their states than they do and that gives him enormous -- it gives him enormous leverage against them.