David Gergen: “We need leadership now, at the Presidential level, that it matches the leadership we're seeing at the gubernatorial…”

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

If he comes out and throws cold water on this, then I don't think it goes anywhere.

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…