David Gergen: “He clearly gained a point for trying.”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?

If he comes out and throws cold water on this, then I don't think it goes anywhere.

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.