David Gergen: “I have been very surprised by their failures on persuading people.”

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

It's increasingly hard to govern.

Maintaining the status quo with regard to the filibuster is unacceptable for him.