David Gergen: “The government has got to grow. That's the only -- it's the only institution we have left to help put some -- put some…”

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…