I don't think the election should be read as a triumph of obstructionism. I don't -- I think Trump was not one of the candidates who ran on that. He ran it for change, to bust the whole thing out.
David Gergen discusses the nature of Trump's election and the perception of obstructionism.
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I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?
He is going to hand Joe Biden a country more divided than it needs to be by trying to de-legitimate an election that was clearly won by Joe Biden.
I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.
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