David Gergen: “Mark Penn works for Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton doesn't work for Mark Penn.”

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

If he comes out and throws cold water on this, then I don't think it goes anywhere.

The midterms really helped him. They transformed the race, best midterm elections for any president in 20 years.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…