David Gergen: “It makes a big difference who blinks on this one.”

He is a leader there's no question about that. But I think he's a bad leader. I think he's leaving his people into, he's leading the country, especially into a very bad place.

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.

I think the evidence is still coming in that this country is deeply divided.

No, their problem is Anderson, he's got more support back in their districts in their states than they do and that gives him enormous -- it gives him enormous leverage against them.