David Gergen: “They have had an energy bill, you know, but it hasn't -- it wasn't a really serious energy bill. It wasn't a…”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?

I don't think Trump is out of the woods, even though his poll numbers are not only staying up, they have actually been strengthened some.