David Gergen: “Well, in two ways. One, the job he had on the domestic side was not as major formulator of policy.”

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

You can't out-Nixon Nixon very easily, but Donald Trump has.

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.