David Gergen: “It's doubling down your bet, isn't it?”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

You can't out-Nixon Nixon very easily, but Donald Trump has.

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?