David Gergen: “Absolutely. President Ford has said several times since then, Anderson, that he was being consumed as president by -- he…”

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

You can't out-Nixon Nixon very easily, but Donald Trump has.

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.