David Gergen: “I give credit to Mike Pence for also saying we're going to accept the results of this election, in contradiction to…”

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

The midterms really helped him. They transformed the race, best midterm elections for any president in 20 years.