David Gergen: “By the end of this year.”

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…