David Gergen: “Every politician who says that is lying.”

The midterms really helped him. They transformed the race, best midterm elections for any president in 20 years.

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.