David Gergen: “I think it's backfiring on them.”

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

He is a leader there's no question about that. But I think he's a bad leader. I think he's leaving his people into, he's leading the country, especially into a very bad place.

I think, basically, this is about power. I think he wants to cripple Joe Biden before he ever gets started.

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.